fired for not being detail oriented

Yikes, no. I’ve never fainted at the sight of anything (I’ve never fainted period), but I’m still extremely squeamish and usually can’t look when there’s an operating scene on TV.

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– Go through and redo all the dates An recent example is when a client said that they used all the funds from a sale to pay off a mortgage. Sharp as a tack. Like you, I am high-functioning and was successful in my field before my diagnosis, but some things in my personal life changed, and it got a lot harder to function. The type of errors being described by the OP leads me to believe that the junior colleague simply doesn’t care about the work. However, I am stuck. They might let it go once as an accident, but if it happens again, there goes your credibility (and you better hope they don’t sanction you). In short, this involves holding a meeting and providing the employee with a written termination letter that details the move and why it's happening. She can’t in good conscience say the work done in the filing is correct. I just don’t see small stuff like the wrong date, or I get impatient and stop checking. If you want to help her with her legal writing, including typos and using the wrong names, advise her to read the draft to herself aloud. You don’t actually know what this student is capable of unless you see him try and fail, and neither does your friend. I would think that someone who has a college degree and a law degree, and has passed a bar exam has the potential at least to be able to do this. Found insideFinally , the court agrees that the legitimate reasons given for the firing were not pretexts for disparate treatment based ... to be detail - oriented , provide technical information , or return phone calls , the employer fired him . Make sure expectations are explicitly clear. The continuous typo mistakes are one thing but overlooking a piece of evidence?! She’ll beat herself up enough. Then the client did it again and it became a pattern and there was no written history of the problem because someone was too busy “saving” to follow state and federal law, company and accreditation procedures and general advice. Note any missing items Things that have helped me: We had a new employee who we started on a fairly basic part of his intended workload.

I would absolutely not put myself in a position where my repeated mistakes could have life changing effects on potentially vulnerable people in the legal system. That was ten years ago, and I’m pretty good at coping techniques by now that I only need the meds occasionally. Found inside – Page 151He clearly doesn't realize that we've been here for almost four hours already and are not in any way just waking up. ... Josh and I hired him because he was honestly everything that we are not: organized, detail oriented, ... Some of us just need a little extra time to figure out the best way to understand it, if our learning patterns are atypical. Third, partners in my firm review almost everything the associates do. I’ve fixed so many of their errors and dealt with penalties thanks to these dingbats. I’ve been thinking more about this one, and I dont have the most natural attention to detail myself (It’s hard won). Fortunately, our story was based on the actual paper, so we got everything right, but if we’d assigned the story to a less experienced reporter, it could easily have gone the other way. Excellent communication skills both written and verbal. Can you ask her to go through the possible defenses or weaknesses? In many law schools these type of work placements during school (or summer) are required. If I’d taken that little test at the beginning, I would have saved so much money. Behar proves it's never too late to follow dream - The ... Or she should have realized in her summer jobs that law is not the place for her. What you’re describing are really serious mistakes that sound like they may go to her fundamental fit for the role. Found inside – Page 36After being heaped with months of pressure herself, Arnold was fired. "You have a negative attitude," her boss ... "You may be slow, cautious, detail-oriented," says Gould, "while your boss deals in broad brush strokes, or vice versa. Does she understand when the errors are pointed out? Since you’re so interested in helping, could you offer to closely mentor her? Can You Collect Unemployment if Laid Off Due to ... This was also true of marshalling evidence. And if they’re billing the client for fixing her mistakes, that’s not quite ethical (although if they’re working on contingency this obviously wouldn’t be an issue). These kind of issues will prevent her from being promoted within the legal field.

Since IM is a work tool I think some fall in the trap of chatting on it too much. Not for litigation. Since I assume I couldn’t practice medicine with my eyes closed, it’s not a good fit for me. I take Clonidine for Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria, Despiramine for Anxiety and Vyvanse for all my other ADHD symptoms. If Jessie’s not a bad writer but just sometimes misses things in the editing phase, something like this could help her check her work over… but it sounds like the problems are so much more deeper than that. To learn more about outplacement, read our guide here. Sounds like you had a great education. I guess if her cases all follow a general pattern, OP could create a checklist *with* her and make sure she knows her job depends on those improvements. My friend tried talking to this student some, but could only go so far without being called out for not accommodating a disability, which ironically means she’s failing to *help* the student with a disability. I’ve done that work before, and it’s fairly mindless. She is insightful and able to solve a problem thinking outside of the box. I can easily seem someone new to the job thinking that, yes, they’re making mistakes but they’re trying and starting to figure it out and do better (even if the “doing better” isn’t visible to anyone outside of the junior attorney’s head), and thinking they have plenty of time to learn. You can train someone who has natural instincts how to check the mechanical stuff that they might not think of, like widows and orphans, and of course you can train someone how to mark up proofs, but I’ve never successfully coached even otherwise super-smart, detail-oriented, colleagues in publishing into being competent proofreaders if they don’t *see* that way with some sort of native ability. Let’s say she gets a diagnosis, to what extent is the company required to make accommodations for that? Even intense careers have a degree of flexiblity, and school is not much like working. Every document I received back had grammatical errors, spelling errors, and other typos. I don't know what field of work you are in, but I work in electrical engineering and the most tell-tale sign of professionalism is being detail oriented to the extreme not how you look or how you interact with others. She is setting your firm up for (at best) complaints from clients about the firm’s professionalism and competence, and (at worst) a malpractice lawsuit, or sanctions by the court, or a complaint to the State Bar. I think you are probably right, but given that OP has expressed a desire to help her employee, suggesting a medical screening would certainly be a way to help. I would find it pretty reasonable to say something like, “These performance problems are really serious. Stop coddling her. I love her line about this: IQ tests only measure how well you do at taking IQ tests. The only reason I would advise the OP to consider if something else is at play is if Jessie was a high performer and now isn’t. So frustrating for you. I wonder if a checklist is too simple, but maybe worth trying? Until their client did or said something that they couldn’t prove because it wasn’t in the notes and not in the file. I just…have a skill set that looks very good on paper. I have a hard time with the concept of learning accommodations during college. For instance, if you were laid off due to poor attendance habits, you may not qualify. You can suggest she try reading things out loud, which helps some people prevent mistakes. I agree, these issues are very different. After that, I kept a running list of things I needed to search for in each work product – and possible misspellings that might slip through (i.e., I had a victim whose last name was splice, I would search for spice, which MW wouldn’t catch.) If you are having to explain her mistakes to the court, she is costing you more in time, energy and reputational risk than she is contributing by her labor, I think. Even in a trashy romance novel, I fact check everything. If this person is a new attorney, we’re talking about someone who is at least 25 and has a graduate degree. Synonyms Similar . Not everyone thinks so detailed. Honestly it sounds like she wouldn’t be able to complete a reading comprehension/puzzle game like the Ace Attorney series, where your success hinges on your ability to identify a contradiction between what the witness/character is saying, and the evidence you have in your inventory. How can I help her get better? I DISAGREE that the mere fact that she makes these mistakes is proof she can’t be a lawyer – but it certainly is true that if she can’t or won’t fix the mistakes and put routines in place to avoid them, she needs a different job. I read all the comments, thinking; why are people armchair diagnosing, don’t they know we’re not supposed to armchair diagnose? I always spot mistakes much more easily this way. Exactly. Also, it doesn’t actually say she is great at the job, just that she is a lovely person. Please note that all salary figures are approximations based upon third . I only have a BA in history and my profs would have ripped me apart if my evidence didn’t work with my conclusions. You cram as much into your brain as possible for the exam but it realistically can’t test for certain skills. I protect my staff from jerkwad customers and I protect my clients from inept service professionals. Check list is good for some stuff, but weird errors like putting the wrong name in Plaintiff, or if the task is “confirm that evidence proves what we think” might get a little wrong. I wish. I mean, yes, there are small suggestions you could make that might help around the edges, but the problem is big enough that I don’t think that’ll fix it. It’s cruel to be “kind” to Jessie, even if she is a sweet person. Maybe the fact that basic, important corrections need to be made in the first place should tell you that I have no reason to just trust they’ll be fixed…. Turned out he was on office IM all day stopping every few minutes to chat! The kind thing to do is to be crystal clear about the issues so that she knows why and has the information going forward in her job search(es). I am not so sure about the typos either. sooner? “our position is this, so make sure to look for A, B and C because A, B and C will help us with showing D, E and F”). I didn’t ask because I didn’t know to ask. I … don’t know that you can. Hope the correct person got her invoice eventually…. You need to consider firing her. Another girl, a good friend of mine, dropped out of the engineering school one semester shy of degree completion, in part because after almost four years she still had no idea what kind of engineering she wanted to do or where she was going to go with her career. Right. Having worked with lawyers from across the educational spectrum, I worked with better and smarter colleagues when they were the #1–10 graduates of Podunk School of Law than graduate #449 from Harvard. However, a fellow junior associate at the firm managed to commit an egregious act of malpractice due to the lack of supervision, and almost got disbarred, so I agree that ideally there would be SOMEONE doing at least a final check. Did she specifically look to confirm use and found a document that she misread – say by missing a footnote relating to the $300k? Regarding why the errors are not getting caught – I wonder if the poor writing is contributing to this. So, has anybody impressed upon Jessie that part of her job is specifically to check things like this? The evidence part is scary to me. Another colleague has said to me privately that she thinks there’s a “connection” problem between what’s in her head and what comes out of her mouth, which I agree with. But as stated up thread, this is your practice on the line and can lead to malpractice suits over time. I had another where I slightly but accidentally mischaracterized the other side’s argument when they had sued 15+ defendants including our client and had buried one allegation against our client in a string of allegations against a co-defendant in a complaint and I missed it. Detail-Oriented Cultures. OP’s job is to bring up her performance issues. At some point this becomes a business decision. Transcripts? Exactly.

Particularly within engineering, there are a lot of paths you can take after college that may be less math-intensive and lower pressure. Is there a reason she’s rushing through her work? I’m just sitting over here like, how did she pass law school or a bar exam? And I know I’m going a bit off-topic, but it is so frustrating to see people just cite high IQ as some be-all-end-all stat that shows how amazing/talented/successful a person is. I’m barely able to afford my attorney fees as it is…if I was paying double because they assigned someone incompetent I’d be filing complaints everywhere I could as well as hiring a different attorney. I’m wondering if Jessie has ever given any indication she became a lawyer to please her family. I say this knowing people from mediocre law schools who worked very hard in their field of study. none of these things open the firm up to a malpractice suit (assuming she’s at a firm, which she likely isn’t based on the language of this letter). He’s still laughing… but I’m picking up a vibe he’s less than thrilled about it, which is effecting our relationship (he recently told me he doesn’t think I have a ‘knack’ for this industry, he’s not assigning me as much work, he’s generally being condescending, etc). Once that happens, the meds are far more useful.

Checklists would be good. The assumption would be that OP volunteers to eat his hours to offer this excessive training. Even if you aren't taking her race and sex into account (which you shouldn't be! She just didn’t RECOGNIZE. I suggest highlighting every typo and sending it back to her as many times as it takes for her to get it right. This goes beyond that issue. Most of the time, lawyers bill hourly. All? I’m not sure how much time or resources you or your firm can devote to supervising her more closely, but if it were me, I would make a game plan for every case/intake/assignment and create a structure based on that discussion. But it’s not going to help with the critical thinking problem. Details like privilege and key words even get highlighted so you can’t miss them. There are probably lots of non-legal things that Jessie could do quite well, so I’m suggesting that OP could connect her with people in those fields instead. might be a better fit for her. Is the date the will was signed correct?). You don’t know which ones. Then in real lawyer life the person who had to correct my mistakes was – surprise – not happy about it. I’m against armchair diagnoses, but as someone who recently discovered I might be ADD (in my early 30s! I saw an episode of some TV show that showed first communion in a Catholic Church in Boston and then everyone went to a farmers’ market to buy tomatoes. That’s just the way firms are structured – people at the bottom are learning, and their rates are lower; people at the top of the pyramid are knowledgeable and expensive, and you don’t want them spending too much time/attention on your matters. I don’t know that I would have felt good about it, had it been broached by my manager … but, getting diagnosed sooner would have been better. I’m wondering if she does actually have the skills but doesn’t have practical how-to apply the skills experience this yet. The evidence issue is so bad I can’t get past it. If there’s anything that can help this junior attorney, it seems like this is it right here. It could be that she’s “double-checking”, but that she’s rushing those checks as well, or tired and not noticing things. She needs to slow down! Years ago when I was a baby librarian, I had the misfortune to end up working with a nursing student, who to put it kindly, should never ever have been allowed to be near patients. If this lack of attention to detail is a new thing, maybe there’s something going on in her life that has changed that is affecting her health or stress levels? However, if mistakes are being fixed in review, then it’s possible that the person feels like that is the process. I used checklists when responding to emergencies all the time in my old profession. Calling him on it points out to him that it is his problem to correct. This time it might be where the money from the sale of the house went, next time it’s that there’s a gap in the closing date and the move-out that isn’t explained by what we see on the paper, the time after that it’s cross referencing the mother’s address to realize that the client was actually living in her house part-time. She says she’s trying, and sometimes that’s just not enough. So I was typing up court papers for some clients who claimed constructive abandonment going back 10 years. I work as an analyst and I’m still good at doing analysis – I just have to give myself extra time to copy edit. Jessie can make her own health-related decisions herself, as she, a grown-ass adult, sees fit. How you perceive making a mistake is how you'll deal with it. Things others handled with ease were inexplicably harder for me.

It sounds like she would need **extremely** detailed checklists for basically every single type of document and every type of situation the firm encounters. I think you should tell her this is not the right job and probably not the right field for her. It doesn’t make “Jessie” a bad person, it just means she’s miscast. After years, I have made no progress, and this person just doesn’t really care about shoddy work, misspent money, or the mission of the organization not being accomplished. Are there planning tools that could help her? Perhaps she’s better suited for negotiations or arbitration. So they had 8hrs holiday pay and they were still concerned with OT? I’ve found it useful to frame these conversations with junior associates as “everyone makes mistakes and misses things as a junior attorney getting up the learning curve — it’s how you handle it that will determine whether you will be successful here long term.” Owning up to her weakness here is good, but she needs to take ownership of coming up with solutions to the errors she’s already made and how to prevent them from recurring, not relying on you for tips and tricks.

It may also be about reading comprehension and/or judgement and/or critical thinking. If I’d made basic errors like that I wouldn’t have made it through school, let alone the past six years. Checklists everyone’s sanity, and it frustrates me no end that I have to browbeat the school into allowing them to use them there (or, even better, when it’s specified in an IEP, and, in Q3 of the year, there is still no checklist). ugh, that sucks. After you have documented the problems, made a strong case for the firing, and have tried to work with the team to get past any issues, you may still need to move forward and fire the employee. Would they have to accommodate her by having someone else do her tasks? After the importance of my errors was impressed upon me (and not particularly gently, which I think was helpful in that it shocked me into some self-reflection), I was asked to think about that question, was it that I COULDN’T analyze a case correctly, or just that I was CHOOSING not to? Plenty of people with learning disabilities succeed at work. I was wondering this too. Speaking to 60 Minutes' Scott Pelley, former FBI director Andrew McCabe shared an episode from a security briefing with Donald Trump in which the president told intelligence heads he didn't believe their reports on North Korea's intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities..

But I don’t use calculus in my job so it’s no longer an issue. It is really on individual adults to decide when something in their life is causing them serious problems, not responsive to their efforts to change it, and is something they actually want to fix, including possibly with medical attention. I once worked for an attorney whose specialty was divorce mediation. definitions. OP, you have a great opportunity to help this woman identify a role where she might actually excel and be happy. Proofreading is a constant struggle toward impossible perfection–but I have never succeeded in constructing a checklist or style sheet or process document that will create that “warning bell.”. I remember watching an interview of a European lawyer in a small law firm, and he said that even as an junior lawyer, everything written by him and sent to the clients was signed by him alone, not his superior. He’d show this graph, titled “Processor Speed Doubbled,” and ask people what was wrong with it. By Megan Lupo Walking out to Whitney Houston's song "I'm Every Woman," Joy Behar, co-host of "The View," captivated the audience with her wit at The Yes, OP should absolutely make the situation more clear, especially if the kindness approach taken so far may have unintentionally made it seem less serious than it is, but barring that having created a misunderstanding, if Jesse does not already understand that she is doing a very bad job, that’s frankly another tick against her ability to do this one. She’s a good person and a good worker, but not a good fit for this job. Thank you. Not only is this going to cause your firm to lose credibility in the legal community and with judges, it could cost your clients their cases. At the very least a more constant attention to detail since those roles are drafting heavy. It seems to me that diagnosis or not, the kind of mistakes being talked about are beyond what I would expect reasonable adjustments to have to accommodate. But it’s necessary for the good of all. Getting clients names mixed up and not adding up the numbers herself are not spelling mistakes, these show a serious lack of attention to detail. She (or her paralegal) spelled my last name wrong, got the date of our marriage wrong (repeatedly), would sometimes type out dates as DD/MM/YY and other times as MM/DD/YY which was hella confusing, and so on. I like your idea of a checklist for certain documents. I always had good grades, did well in school, was able to check all the “correct” boxes. My family actually owns property that wasn’t willed to us because a junior attorney made a mistake like this (and we decided not to take the high road and give it back). Other than that they were paying us a significant amount of money to represent them, the fact that we were registering an application under a name different than their legal entity name was also a big, big problem. Maybe you mean Grammarly? In a general sense, I imagine that literally every attorney’s job boils down in some way or another to “knowing a lot of details and critically matching those details to situations.”. For this, we recommend discussing the move with your legal counsel to ensure you are complying with all local, state, and federal laws. My boss won’t let me escalate discipline and nixed my performance plan so I’m stuck with being someone who makes mistakes supervising someone who makes mistakes, and I don’t catch them all. If you’re not doing those things, there are two options: you either can’t, or you won’t. Whether someone thinks it’s worth the time to train is another issue, but this doesn’t seem like something that can’t ever be improved upon. Goodness. 1) That’s different in the legal field, where the stakes are different, and 2) these aren’t “attention to detail” problems… as Alison suggested, they sound like comprehension problems, which is… very not good. There are ways to double check for that, legal dictionary spell checkers, read it backwards, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was ADHD. Before you go investing lots of time and effort and hand-holding attempting to improve her performance, ask yourself if it’s worth it. She is saying “I need more time”. How did she manage law school? That’s a skill you have to learn, and also (IMHO) a certain amount of innate ability you have to have. Business analyst skillsOral and written communication skills.Interpersonal and consultative skills.Facilitation skills.Analytical thinking and problem solving.Being detail-oriented and capable of delivering a high level of accuracy.Organizational skills.Knowledge of business structure.Stakeholder analysis. Videos are great to get insight into what jobs you may enjoy. It’s a horrifying sunk cost. OP, this is painful. with lots of traffic!! This was significant to me because I was a single mom struggling financially. Typos How? The problem is they’re trusted by people who cannot fight their way out of a paper sack of financial records without a map, so they’re at the mercy of these bad accountants. Because sometimes your client lies to you.

Jessie and I have spoken about it. But there are some things that a checklist isn’t going to help with. (No idea what my IQ is, never tested that.) Found insideMay not be eepied, seuuued, or duplicated. iu whole or iu part. Due to electronic rights, ... How you do thingsiExamples of these qualities include hardworking, dependable, flexible, organized, and detail-oriented. Identifying YOU! It’s not that uncommon, which is why you are taught to so closely check all your evidence! It takes more repetitions than I feel is reasonable, but he is catching on to some of his errors of interpretation. Even when she is officially checking, she’s missing MAJOR issues and she’s just getting basic information wrong. Make a list. If she’s a burden on you and your firm, and is making serious errors with consequences, and other employees have to spend time correcting her many mistakes, I question whether you should spend any further time on training, checklists, etc. ADHD is treatable, and I have absolutely seen these *exact* types of errors in inattentive type ADHD, and they improve markedly with appropriate treatment. The duty to put the clients’ needs first, as well as the self-interested need to retain clients and avoid malpractice claims and not be sanctioned by the bar, probably out weighs keeping someone who makes such egregious mistakes. Being a lawyer is very much on-the-job training, and I wonder if Jessie has gotten the training she needs. If this junior lawyer can’t be trusted to do that, she needs to find another role. Yeah, I think we’ve talked about this before. It should represent your skills (hard and soft skills), your experience, education and your brand and is a critical piece to any job search or request for promotion.. *shiver* If people weren’t so idealistic, I wouldn’t shine so bright though….making a career out of scrubbing the ineptitude out of small business financials. When the gun was fired, the wadding paper would be expelled by the exploding gunpowder, thus pushing the lead ball-bullet out of the barrel as a deadly projectile. But the most important thing wrong with it was that the graph actually indicated processor speed had *halved,* not doubled. This is a PITA but it is gradually working. Maybe a law firm – especially the big players – aren‘t the right fit for her. Like, just full-on non-grammatical non-idiomatic speeh on the reg. And missing what the evidence really says is might not just be about attention to detail. I also have little patience for rigid gatekeeping- so often it has little to do with the reality of life and work after the program ends. But that checklist isn’t going to help you back a trailer into a loading dock. That sort of lack of attention to detail is going to end up as evidence in a malpractice case, if you keep her around. Ole Miss went 5-7 last year and then lured a recruiting class so poor that Freeze labeled it "a penalty to be under the cloud we're under.". I think this woman is most likely a bad fit and has critical thinking issues that can’t be solved with checklists but some of these comments are a little dramatic.

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